Wed Jan. 28 2009 9:45:13 PM
Classes likely to resume Monday at York U
The Canadian Press
Protesters rally in support of CUPE 3903, the union striking at York University since Nov. 6, 2008. (CP24/Aaron Adetuyi)
TORONTO The threat of a court battle over legislation aimed at sending striking York University teachers back to work was dropped Wednesday, a move that leaves Monday classes looking all but certain for 45,000 students kept out of class since early November.
Wading into a legal challenge would have just created more uncertainty for students at Canada's third-largest university, who have already paid a heavy a price, said union spokesman Tyler Shipley.
"They've already had to wait nearly three months to have their classes resume, and to put them in a situation where there would be more uncertainty ... it just didn't seem like the right move," Shipley said.
With only the 10-member New Democrat caucus opposing the bill in the Ontario legislature, it's almost certain to survive its third and final vote Thursday and send students back to class for Monday.
The union is reluctantly preparing to send its members back to work.
"What can I say?" Shipley said. "I'm certainly not going to authorize or endorse any kind of illegal strike action."
About 100 York University students had rallied outside the legislature Wednesday on a snowy day to push for a speedy passage of the bill.
Catherine Divaris, a fourth-year kinesiology student who helped organize the protest, said she was "ecstatic" about the thought of returning to classes on Monday.
"Another delay would have been detrimental to our school year," she said. "I don't think we could have done with another delay, and if anything, it would have just really, really hindered next year and even future careers for undergraduate students."
Divaris said the university has told students that if classes resume Monday, they'll be done with their exams by June 2.
The union had believed there were grounds for a legal challenge, though legal experts say it's unlikely the courts would have granted a request that would interfere in the operation of back-to-work legislation.
"Governments are in the business of making laws, and courts are in the business of interpreting," said Lorenzo Lisi of Sherrard Kuzz LLP, who has practised labour law for 20 years.
"Courts don't necessarily feel like it's their job to make law -- that's why we have government."
Kevin Coon, a labour lawyer at Baker & McKenzie, agreed the chances of such a court challenge succeeding would have been slim.
"The courts have been reluctant to interfere in back-to-work legislation like this and would very unlikely grant an injunction to prevent the workers from going back in a situation like that, regardless of any kind of court claim," he said.
"It's probably more for the purposes of public relations as opposed to reality, and the union will know that."
But Shipley maintained the union did have grounds to take the matter to court.
"We are being legislated back to work on the basis that there was a deadlock between the two sides, and we simply do not believe that was the case," he said.
"Despite the premier's urging, (York) is still not making any effort. That does not sound to me like deadlock."
Shipley said the university's commitment to resolving the dispute has been "weak at best," as they have only come to the bargaining table for 11 days of the strike that has dragged on for more than 80 days.
He accused the administration of not bargaining because it was counting on the government to force teachers back to work.
York University officials could not be immediately reached for comment Wednesday.
Earlier Wednesday, the union renewed its call for Premier Dalton McGuinty to force the university to resume negotiations, but the premier said it's clear the bargaining process has failed. McGuinty had recalled the legislature on the weekend to introduce the back-to-work legislation.
Some 50,000 students saw classes cancelled on Nov. 6 when 3,400 teaching assistants, contract faculty and graduate assistants walked off the job.
About 5,000 have been allowed to return this week to classes taught by tenured professors, who are not on strike.
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January 28, 2009 at 8:09:25 AM
sonny s.
this is honestly just getting a little retarded.
January 28, 2009 at 8:38:00 AM
Lynda
CUPE is getting their publicity at the expense of their members - are the 4 arrested yesterday ever going to get a professorship with a police record?? Its not hard to fire up idealistic young people for CUPE's own motives. THE STRIKE IS OVER!! You will get a fair deal at arbitration, you know.
January 28, 2009 at 8:43:29 AM
JR
Will the students have to bear this thing again next year? Where are the student's best interest? Universities should be non-profit offering high level education. Thats why we pay the big bucks in taxtes and tuitions. I demand and I will certainly have 50000+ to back me, get the students back to classes and do the barganing outside classes and school hours. Our kids deserve this.
January 28, 2009 at 8:44:17 AM
York Student
If the NDP continue to refuse it.....will it still be passed...or is it continue to drag on and on. I think I am about to develop an ulcer from the anticipation - I just want to return to school!!!
January 28, 2009 at 8:50:21 AM
Robin
Lynda,
You are missing their point entirely. They will never get tenured professorship at York regardless of whether they now have a 'police record'. One hundred tenured profs retired this year and York will replace only two of them with tenureship. The rest will be contract. Does that seem fair when they do more than 50% of the teaching. Know the issues before you offer an informed opinion.
January 28, 2009 at 8:52:12 AM
Set
The cruelty and crime that’s been committed to our 50,000 citizens and future of this country is unforgivable.
There’s one solution to all this and that is to get rid of the unions. You will be many steps closer in shaping the economy of this country. Perhaps the strike was the spark that ignited the fire and caused the need to get rid of unions. This will be the one good thing that will come out of all this, alas, at the cost of education.
What we need now is the vein of one influential person to say enough is enough, let’s get the students back to school. Education is crippled because of the existence of unions.
January 28, 2009 at 8:53:46 AM
Not Happy at All!!
This has become a JOKE....Is anyone thinking about the students, they did not ask for this strike however they are the one's getting the raw deal here. Take your dirty laundry fighting somewhere else. As far as I'm concerned, at this point both sides are WRONG and I'd like my money back AND my child back in class being taught.
January 28, 2009 at 8:54:37 AM
Joe
who is to blame? the blame should be laid at the doors of silent majority.most members of CUPE 3903 do not attend meetings and are not vocal which provides a golden opportunity for a bunch of vocal minority to run the show. This is a dilemma of democrcy
January 28, 2009 at 8:56:48 AM
Josh
CUPE thinks that they will get what they want. Unfortunately, very few negotiations end that way. Theres always some give and take on both sides. This is the mistake that CUPE made. They didn't make any kind of concessions, while York gave them added benefits.
January 28, 2009 at 8:59:18 AM
To Robin from Lynda
Jobs in MOST industries (and especially working or even volunteering with children, students or seniors) require a Police Clearance. Maybe you have not applied for a job recently like I have. I wonder if CUPE properly counselled their people before the demonstration so they would not ruin their lives like this to make a point.
January 28, 2009 at 9:03:20 AM
Josh
It's over, CUPE. You took a big gamble and you lost. Accept defeat graciously and move on before you lose all credibility with the public.
January 28, 2009 at 9:04:15 AM
hina
well they are running the university. They have the right to create the tenured or contract positions. If you dont like it go apply for the job somewhere else. Nobobdy wants you losers here. I just wish NDP all the bad luck in the future for doing this horrific thing to students.
January 28, 2009 at 9:09:41 AM
Brooke re: Robin's comment
So the 4 arrested as well as the York students, vendors at York and others affected by the strike are just COLLATERAL damage for CUPE? What University would have their union dictate tenure? Better to use CUPEs stenghth and the legislative process to get more $$$ for the universities. I hope they follow up with this after the strike for the benefit of all universities
January 28, 2009 at 9:10:17 AM
Adam
Robin,
You are stupid and have bought into the Unions evil. HELLO bad economic times. HELLO contract! be lucky to be working via contract and to have a job at all.
January 28, 2009 at 9:11:23 AM
Randy
going into arbitration won't bring out a fair deal for the union, it'll just allow york to sit on its behind for 90 days hold out and give as little as possible to the union.
January 28, 2009 at 9:25:45 AM
sonny s.
If it does not seem fair, they should take a hike, not go on strike. Offering an informed opinion, is an opinion. If they do more of the teaching and get paid less, then get lost, go somewhere else--many monkeys in the jungle to take their place. I agree with Lynda.
adios.
January 28, 2009 at 9:26:54 AM
Sylvia
Regardless of whats going on between York and Cupe3903, the ones who are getting burned the most are the students.
Cupe3903 should have been more willing to negotiate at the beginning of the strike instead of leaving the proposal the same until recently. That being said, York SHOULD go back to the bargaining table for the sake of the students.
I'm a student at York, and I feel both sides in this strike are wrong, and are too stubborn to come to a conclusion. I hope the bill is passed and negotiations are made.
January 28, 2009 at 9:30:33 AM
student
I agree with Robin, I am a york student as well in my last year and I completely understand the complexity of this issue. York has ultimately decided against negotiating, knowing that binding arbritration is ideal for their pocket. And everyone keeps on talking about us the poor students, how about the Graduate students who work their butts off and can't work off campus because York wants to keep it's integrity. Well this isn't the way to do it. I am appalled that the administration has declined to resume negotiations and the Legislature should halt the passing of the bill, York needs to understand that what they are doing is completely selfish.
January 28, 2009 at 9:32:58 AM
York Grad Student
Robin,
Of course it's fair. York's hiring policies are York's business and York's business alone. If you want a tenure-track position, why does it have to be at York? How about somewhere else? In another country? Or is York magically colluding with every university in the world to limit tenure-track positions? If contract faculty are every bit as qualified as tenured faculty, then why can't they compete for a tenure-track position like everyone else? After all, if they are highly qualified - they'll get the position, no problems.
Finally, I'm so sick of the 50% of the teaching argument. Quantity does not beget quality.
January 28, 2009 at 9:38:21 AM
Ian - York Student
If the NDP continue to block the passing of the back to work bill, it will eventually be referred to a special panel committee. Passing the bill is just a matter of time.
It's funny...if we continue like this, I'm going to get my ADMS2500 credit before I even touch the rest of my courses. :)
One less exam to cram in all at once, I suppose.
I think that York is right for refusing to bargain with the union. After all, the main agenda of the union calls for a 2 year contract so that they can once again pull this stunt in 2 years with other university unions.
January 28, 2009 at 9:47:19 AM
Dior
York has been stringing us along. They had no real interest in bargaining with CUPE. They've refused many times to return to the table and now that BTW legislation is vitually inevitable, why on earth would they go back to the bargaining table NOW if they never had genuine intentions of coming to an agreement in the first place?
I think it's a sad day when University students, 'the future leaders of tomorrow', become tyrants, shouting for the government to limit the rights of people who are looking to effect change and live above the poverty line.
January 28, 2009 at 9:49:50 AM
Tara
this is getting really tiring. the NDP should've voted yes on Sunday and saved us another week instead of giving CUPE more airtime...
January 28, 2009 at 9:50:28 AM
Set
The cruelty and crime that’s been committed to our 50,000 citizens and future of this country is unforgivable.
There’s one solution to all this and that is to get rid of the unions. You will be many steps closer in shaping the economy of this country. Perhaps the strike was the spark that ignited the fire and caused the need to get rid of unions. This will be the one good thing that will come out of all this, alas, at the cost of education.
What we need now is the vein of one influential person to say enough is enough, let’s get the students back to school. Education is crippled because of the existence of unions.
January 28, 2009 at 10:05:16 AM
Car-Mill
I'm honestly tired of reading about the back-and-forth goings on between CUPE, York and now the province.
We the students have suffered enough and this will only continue if this dispute is ever resolved.
If we ever get back to class, we're going to have an intense and stressful workload ahead of us. Right now I'm mostly concerned about how our professors plan to accomdate us when we get back. I've tried to keep in contact with most of my profs since this dispute began and haven't received clear answers. That is what frustrates me the most as a student.
January 28, 2009 at 10:07:47 AM
Death Cab for CUPE
Robin,
there's more than one university in the world, York isn't the be all and end all. With criminal records it's going to be hard to find jobs here or abroad (harder to get a work visa). Is a criminal record really worth it?
January 28, 2009 at 10:13:50 AM
Al - York Alumni
This is another example of a democratic system that has become so overly socialist that we are more concerned about already employed unionized workers, not at risk of losing their jobs, than of the continued education and eventual employment of the next generation of Ontarians. This kind of blind ignorance by over-paid, greedy staffers being left unchecked for so long makes me wonder what the government has been getting out of it? That school should have been legislated back a week after the strike ensued, as soon as there was a chance that graduates could be at a risk of coming out of school any bit later than their counterparts at UofT, Western, Waterloo, et al, and as such, be further behind in the job market.
January 28, 2009 at 10:16:58 AM
akmal
There is no point in negotiating with these hoddlums because they are still behaving like bullies like in yesterday rally. Just pass the bill remove the ones who are creating problems and hire new ones.
January 28, 2009 at 10:20:03 AM
Bianca
CUPE & the NDP have made every attempt to halt the process of getting students back to school A.S.A.P. At this point in the game, it seems completely irresponsible and selfish to play politics instead of serving the 50,000+ constituents who are the York University students. CUPE is only interested in a two-year contract because this will allow them to strike again in 2010; why should York even consider giving into this demand? So that York can face this dire circumstance once again? York needs to grow some you-know-whats & take charge of this union in order to get its 50,000+ students back in class where they should be!
January 28, 2009 at 10:22:15 AM
fed up
thank god this is my last year and i wont have to deal with this nonsence again. i just hope high school students and others interested in applying to a post secondary school learn from what they put us through and stay clear of york university!!
January 28, 2009 at 10:29:32 AM
Christine
The strike havent done either sides any good, just look at the outcome, after 12 weeks of striking and disrupting students lives and plans for the summer months...
I just want to finish my school year...I have lost hope of getting a decent summer job, and even my travel plans have been ruin, The TA's should have never gone on strike, it has affected the lives of 50,000 students and inlight of all this a simply SORRY just doesnt cut it anymore
January 28, 2009 at 10:43:00 AM
Edna Bott
The BTWL will come back to hunt us.Mark my word. High handedness and rewarding intransigence had never paid off nor will it now. The strike has lasted this long and students and CUPE would have lost out if the bill is passed. The only winner here is York Administration
January 28, 2009 at 10:50:38 AM
HR York Student
I support York with not wanting to negotiation. If for more than 2 months negotiating hasn't worked, than why bother? I guess CUPE3903 are now desperate for any king of profitability, may it be small or big. Their "significantly" reduced demands are a proof of such.
However, YorkU could have resume classes a lot earlier by providing those available profs a bonus to continue teaching, and scan-tron sheets for computerized marking.
I don't care how it's settled anymore, I simply want to be back in school knowing I'm getting the education and services I paid for and that I finish my undergrad BHRM (Honors) with no further disruptions.
January 28, 2009 at 10:52:50 AM
dissapointed student
when one accepts a job offer, they should consider everything: the income, their rent, childcare, etc. If they made a commitment and said "Ok, York U I will work on your terms for this amount of $$" they should not turn around and yell that now all of a sudden it's not enough!
I hate when people do that, first it's "yes of course" then "Oh I do all the work, I want more".
YOU MADE YOUR BED, LAY IN IT!
January 28, 2009 at 11:08:36 AM
Rachelle
"Overpaid, greedy staffers", you say? The vast majority of this union's members are living below the poverty line, many trying to support families. And the situation isn't any better at other universities. This is only the beginning of a crisis due to severe underfunding of post-secondary education.
Everyone's harping on and on about the 'poor students' and the quality of their education. Doesn't anybody realize that the quality of education is hugely dependent on funding and fairly-paid instructors with their head in the game, rather than being stressed from working multiple jobs just to make ends meet?
January 28, 2009 at 11:14:02 AM
CUPE TA upset with CUPE
It seems like CUPE is getting all the blame here along with all its members. I agree CUPE should take the heat and are asking for way to much, but the public and students should not blame all it's members and TA's. I have voted 'NO' in everything possible and refuse to picket for something I think is wrong. I am going broke still having to pay tuition like the other students and not getting paid the wages I was promised when I enrolled. I was perfectly happy with our old wages. Some TA's are getting paid just as much on the picket line as if they would be doing their job hence they are in no rush to end it!! Just remember the people you see picketing and being greedy does represent all of us! Lets get back at it NOW!
January 28, 2009 at 11:33:22 AM
MOY
Honestly, as a forth year student, this issue has become more than just a frustration and annoyance. At this point, I'd rather them just cancel the school year. This way, we can all have some certainty - My summer plans don't have to be ruined, and I can get a job right now instead of just standing by and putting my life on hold over this dispute.
January 28, 2009 at 11:44:17 AM
John
If CUPE's demands were 'so realistic', than why didn't they just settle for binding arbitration when the strike began? Because then they would get what they wanted anyhow, wouldn't they?
January 28, 2009 at 11:49:44 AM
Get the facts
Let me preface this by saying, I feel really bad for the students as well as the TAs (Who are also students). The YorkU Admin is the real issue. I wish people would be more informed before offering their opinions. I know the students want to resume their studies, but you must realize if the strikers do not get many of their demands, the quality of you education and those students that follow you will continue to degrade.
The University needs to get back to the table. Back to work legislation is exactly what they were hoping for, and McGuinty is the mindless leader of our province who wants to abide.
January 28, 2009 at 11:50:19 AM
JR
I think they should close down York give back the money students payed out and everyone will be happy to move on. What do you think?
January 28, 2009 at 12:04:34 PM
York Student
NDP you should be ashamed!!! you are closing the door on 50,000 students funny you will be knocking on our doors for support come the next election and then you will know what it feels like when we 50,000 strong shut the door on you!!!!
As for these 3,400 TA's claiming they live below the poverty line.. you have options find a job that pays you more!!!!!!
January 28, 2009 at 12:16:24 PM
James
You're missing the point. CUPE wants automatic, unadjudicated conversions of contract faculty to longer term, YUFA appointments, not tenure replacements based on open competition. They favour offer these appointments, furthermore, based on union seniority rather than academic merit. This will dimish the value of a York degree as well as deprive up and coming graduate students of much needed teaching experience. It may be that York should hire more tenured faculty, as you sugest, but this is not a CUPE issue, nor is it up for debate/ negotiation in the context of this strike.
January 28, 2009 at 12:17:34 PM
Set
Education is crippled because of the existence of unions. Unfortunately the system tells us that we’re at the mercy of the Almighty Union to tell our students whether they should go to school or not.
For crying out loud, university is not free, we’re paying good money for it.
There were announcements of school closing due to the snow storm, York University students are deprived of their education for 90 days now not because of a snow storm but because they’ve been the victims of a poor system regulated by the wants and needs of unions.
Thank you CP24 for giving us the opportunity to speak our minds.
January 28, 2009 at 12:20:03 PM
Natalia
Union's decision doesn't surprise me. CUPE members are protected by labour laws. They can strike, they can try to reverse back to work legislation. But what about students? It seems that there is no law in Ontario to protect us from dirty games between CUPE and York university.
January 28, 2009 at 12:28:58 PM
James
Get the Facts;
You need to get the facts. If CUPE gets their demands it will erode the quality of education at York by requiring the Admin to offer long term contracts to temporary faculty on the basis of union seniority rather than scholarly merit or teaching excellence. Contracts of the sort CUPE is demanding for its workers are ordinarily highly competetive appointments, that draw applicant pools in the hundreds, from throughout north america. CUPE wants to circumvent this whole process, and the admin cannot accede to these demands without compromising academic inegrity at York.
January 28, 2009 at 12:29:11 PM
Mike
I think the people in this union need to remember why they got or should have got into teaching and thats to educate the young minds of tomorrow. They make it sound like they live under the poverty line.
If they don't wise up soon, I say fire them all. Shouldn't be hard to find unemployed people to replace them with..
January 28, 2009 at 12:34:42 PM
Dreamr
It is time to stop supporting unions in all industries! Time to stop the illegal activates the unions believe are legal and in the best interest of workers! Unions take your money for which the charter of rights and employment laws already protect workers from! There was a time and a place for unions but those days are long gone! The unions are crippling our country and the economy time to take a stand!
January 28, 2009 at 12:42:59 PM
Adam
The true meaning of education is long dead now.Honestly it's cheaper to go to work than got to school.A piece of paper is a joke to go through how much post-seconday ed costs.Kids take my advice finish high school and have fun.Life is just to short to be woryy about this garbage.who knows north korea could wipe us all out tommorow!
January 28, 2009 at 12:49:51 PM
York business student
when they say "roadblock" do they mean a delay in getting the T.A.s back to work? Will they need to settle this in court before they get the T.A.s in the classroom?
January 28, 2009 at 12:51:12 PM
Fed Up
As a York employee, I can assure you that this strike affects not only the students, but other unionized and non unionized positions as well.
I am sick of it. Sick of picket lines and protests and militant, mindless marches and sit ins that lead no where. Get back to work already. You don't like the pay---get another job! One that let's you work more that 10 hours a week!!!! And for the 50% of the work--please---as the guy said, quantity does not beget quality...hence the need for "real" faculty.
January 28, 2009 at 1:01:19 PM
jack daniels
CUPE3903 GOTO HELL!! LOSERS!
January 28, 2009 at 1:09:33 PM
Al
Cry me a river, YOU DON"T LIKE THE JOB GET ANOTHER ONE THAT PAYS MORE. You don't like it, then move on... You signed up for it. Be happy that you even have a job. Some of us don't have a job and pay our way by working part time and don't complain. Enough of give me more give me more...
January 28, 2009 at 1:12:55 PM
York student
The best part of this is that enrolment is down for next year..meaning that under the new faculty that will come into effect on July 1st 2009 (Faculty of Liberal Arts and Professional Studies which is replacing Arts and Atkinson) will need to have courses dropped. It is obvious that the courses with contract faculty and TA's will be the first to go. Essentially the union has doomed its own members.
In addition, just because a person is hired in a tenure track position does not mean that they will get tenure or promotion. There is a specific process in place, and it is a lengthy one for a reason, and if they do not receive tenure or promotion then they can be let go....so once again they have doomed themselves.
This will all come back to bite the union, NDP and York U.
January 28, 2009 at 1:14:00 PM
Carol, London
Has CUPE considered that the University does not want to add more than 2 positions to their tenure track because there will be no students to teach. We already know there is a 15% decline in high school students applying to York. My guess would be most of those who are offered positions at York will choose to go elsewhere. I also believe that a larger majority of the current students will be looking to transfer elsewhere (my son is looking to transfer). Maybe they won't even need their contract faculty.
January 28, 2009 at 1:25:51 PM
Randy
Edna Bott said it completely right. If legislation is passed, the ONLY winner is York's administration
January 28, 2009 at 1:56:13 PM
Vanessa O
oh my jesus freakin god *no offence to anyone with that* seriously this is ridiculous. i'm in my last year, last semester and i can't do anything because they are playing games. the union needs to back off and understand that they've been heard, now they need to listen to all the other students who have been affected. it is so unbelievable that we the students are not even so much as looked at, we don't have a voice for them. the bill will pass and now they plan on fighting it? seriously, cut the students some break. all we want to do is graduate or at least finish. the union (and university) need to understand that if they keep these games up, their demands won't be met because all the students will leave therefore leaving them without jobs. do they seriously think that we won't do anything? i am so freaking angry right now it's unbelievable.
January 28, 2009 at 2:02:17 PM
Andrei
I don't believe unions in general are about protecting their members. It's all about power for union bosses. Power and money. All unions do is bankrupting businesses...the auto industry is a good example. In North American it can't compete any more because the labor is just damn too expensive. They'd love to give consessions now just to keep their jobs. CUPE eventually will have the same fate if they keep doing what they are doing.
I agree with a lot of people here saying if you don't like your job or the money you are getting paid, maybe you should go look for another one instead of going on strike...or work more...teach more classes instead of just one...can't teach more than one? that's just too bad...
January 28, 2009 at 2:13:56 PM
kareena
This whole thing about the strike is becoming so annoying. Now that its almost over and we'll me back in class on Monday, I'm afraid that the BTWL will affect the way T.A.'s mark our work. This will not be fair! Once again, T.A.'s will continue to degrade our work all because of the York Administration. York University is so decietful!
January 28, 2009 at 2:39:44 PM
Randy
the NDP did the right thing, choosing to have york and the union figure out a fair deal, if anything the NDP has gained more support from me then ever in the past, just to let u all know im student, the union is fighting for fair deal, york needs to get their behinds back on the bargaining table, they've only budged slightly one back i believe it was in early december, but even the offer given then was no where close to being fair
January 28, 2009 at 2:46:14 PM
PK- Oakville
Once again Unions rear their ugly head and hold everyone hostage to their demands, sad...
January 28, 2009 at 2:53:42 PM
Kevin
This is becoming a little insane. The heart of the issue is that York University has, and always will be, a joke. It should be turned into a college, or pre-school, and everyone should just move on
January 28, 2009 at 3:09:21 PM
Willow
I think it is about time the Union takes a long hard look at the economic times. My understanding is that the University has tried to negotiate, but the Union has become more gready (as usual). For those in a TA position, you are in an entry level, you shouldn't be getting 3 or 4 % increases per year. Personally, I would do what Dominion has done, Change the name, lay off all union workers, and rehire as non union...there are people out of work, going hungry, and losing homes. Be real
January 28, 2009 at 3:23:59 PM
Gavin
This is like watching a bad divorce in slow motion, except one side knows they'll still have the kids when its finalized. Do the contract workers and TAs know that they will have to renew their contracts after this is over? If you're all so great at teaching, correct my spelling. sMassive sLayoffs. You've bitten the hand that feeds, and if it were my hand, you wouldn't just get a love tap in retaliation. You'd be looking for the new home, with the big black mark on your forehead. "I see on your resume that you were a TA at York University from 2008-2010..."
January 28 yarkhan, 2009 at 3:36:54 PM
Haamed
Studnets will be suffering at the end of this this tug-of-war. My daughter is in 4th year nobody knows what will happen. I want her to be in workforce in May 1st week..as scheduled.
Being a parent I am much upset with the happenings at York.
January 28, 2009 at 3:52:01 PM
Deb
I think Cupe 3903 is unrealistic in their demands given todays downward economy and if they were sincere as Tyler Shipley would have everybody believe they would have accepted York's offer. The only thing Mr. Hampton is accomplishing is to make the NDP party a distant memory because I think the NDP will see a shrinkage in seats in the legislation next election but hey Howard is leaving he doesnt care. Howard says doesnt have to answer to York students only to Ontarians what are the York Students aliens.
January 28, 2009 at 4:16:16 PM
Steve
This is getting ridiculous...I feel sorry for the students who pay their tuition in exchange for a quality education. This is definitely not what they signed up for. CUPE and York admin are ruining these students lives and they should be ashame of themselves!
January 28, 2009 at 4:38:11 PM
James
FED UP;
I've been a York employee for 7 years as well and I can't tell you how much I agree with your sentiment of being sick of CUPE 3903 and their militant, irrational activism. Now the general public is getting a taste of what they are all about. This is the worst and most public case to date, but for those who've been at York a while they know it is not the first. When they aren't taking the University on strike or to the brink of a strike, they are organizing 'work-to-rule' campaigns, and activist 'flying squads' with far-left agendas that are as dubious as they are disruptive. I just wish CUPE3903 would go away FOREVER!!!!
January 28, 2009 at 4:45:14 PM
Henry
Haha! Sonny s. I think you just summed up what was on my mind for the past 3 months.
January 28, 2009 at 4:48:28 PM
Bill
There is lttle doubt that CUPE and the University will continue this saga well beyond the passing of the return to work legislation. However once the students are no longer being held hostage and at risk of losing a full academic year the end result of this mania will only be meaningful to the combatants and so it should be. It is simply not acceptable for the union to hold the students hostage in order to obtain what it feels is a proper new collective agreement. The students are the innocent victims. Let the legal battles go on but let not the students bare the cost. Politicans, judges , lawyers, the University and and the union must put the students first. They have already paid enough.
January 28, 2009 at 5:13:16 PM
Frankie De Gotti
i want to learn, im tired of staying home.
January 28, 2009 at 5:27:29 PM
Ann S
I heard the voices of those CUPE members that DO NOT SUPPORT THIS STRIKE. I really appreciate your consideration to the whole situation. It would be good if you would SPEAK UP a bit louder and let more people know that this strike does too much harm to the majority of people. Only a very small group of greedy CUPE members who still get a lot of pay from union during the strike like to prolong it.
January 28, 2009 at 5:41:27 PM
Michael
YORK start giving back OUR MONEY!
January 28, 2009 at 5:42:00 PM
Egnazio
Good for you McGuinty Liberals
Ya haven’t failed me yet
Do what you can so that both sides will be forced to bargain quickly with a plan for priority and good faith.
January 28, 2009 at 5:54:30 PM
Lisa
It will not be fair to the undergrad students
For me to stand up in front of them,
Grateful for the opportunity to work,
And deliver the quality education they paid for,
While wondering how many of them don’t understand
That I was ultimately fighting for their education.
Don’t legislate us back to work,
We need a deal in good faith.